Stream: rust-survey-2020

Topic: SURVEY FOR TESTING


Jasun Carr (Nov 21 2019 at 16:22, on Zulip):

We have a final version of the survey done, and it would be helpful for a couple folks to run through it and make sure everything works correctly (we'll delete the responses, so go nuts with answers). I'll go through a few times as well (checking some of the logic) - but a couple sets of eyes are better.

https://forms.gle/ueSwgjfFPWRvXL9a9

Xidorn Quan (Nov 22 2019 at 13:12, on Zulip):

The Chinese version is up for testing as well, if anyone is interested in helping: https://wj.qq.com/s2/5080757/5237

Charles Lew (Nov 22 2019 at 13:51, on Zulip):

@Xidorn Quan in Question 05, "知道" may be wrongly thought as "have heard", maybe you want to change a word for it?

Charles Lew (Nov 22 2019 at 13:59, on Zulip):

In Question 30. Do you want to put CLion aside with IntelliJ or make it a separate option?

Charles Lew (Nov 22 2019 at 14:00, on Zulip):

Well, ^ this is not a question about translation.

Charles Lew (Nov 22 2019 at 14:13, on Zulip):

Question 47. Well the question text is so close to the meme "PHP is the best programming language". I feel impulsive to choose it :P

Jasun Carr (Nov 22 2019 at 17:31, on Zulip):

I'll do a comparison between last/this year (think the number of questions may not have increased that much, but we added some questions with a LOT of choices)

Jasun Carr (Nov 22 2019 at 17:33, on Zulip):

Also, PLEASE do not add options to the lists - because we may end up with different lists between translations. Most of the lists should have an "other" option that allows folks to type in a response - this should capture anything we've missed, and we can adjust the lists next year based on responses.

Jasun Carr (Nov 22 2019 at 18:14, on Zulip):

So, you're right - the overall # of questions did increase from 85 -> 130 (a 52.9% increase). However, because of branching and filtering within the survey, the Maximum # of questions anyone will have to answer only 71 (last year it was 67). So, the survey itself has gotten larger - but the experience should be equivalent.
(And, if anyone is interested, the minimum # of questions someone would have to answer also increased slightly from 31 to 39).

Xidorn Quan (Nov 22 2019 at 22:36, on Zulip):

@Charles Lew I'm not sure what exactly "know" in the original question (How many other programming languages did you know when you originally started working with Rust?) means. Maybe "了解" or "熟悉"?

Xidorn Quan (Nov 22 2019 at 22:39, on Zulip):

Like, "know" can mean "have heard" to me as well... but maybe here it means "familiar with its syntax", "is able to use" or even "can use it flently"? Not sure which level does the "know" idiomatically mean here.

Charles Lew (Nov 23 2019 at 01:43, on Zulip):

Yes, i think that would be better.

Charles Lew (Nov 23 2019 at 01:52, on Zulip):

Also, PLEASE do not add options to the lists - because we may end up with different lists between translations. Most of the lists should have an "other" option that allows folks to type in a response - this should capture anything we've missed, and we can adjust the lists next year based on responses.

Personally i think the expansion on Other to include other options is quite useful. In some questions most of the options doesn't make sense to people in China region. Adding more options is definitely better than forcing everybody to write in Other.

Xidorn Quan (Nov 23 2019 at 09:00, on Zulip):

I added several questions especially for Chinese community.

Also I've changed some questions, specifically those about travel for conference, because for most Simplified Chinese users, there is really only "international" vs. "domestic", mostly due to foreign visa requirements and language barrier I believe. In the survey last year, ~50% of responses said they aren't interested in attending a conference overseas (~11% said they are), while ~54% of responses said they are interested for domestic conference (and only ~7% said no). This is, in my opinion, a much more useful information than having them say no to every place in the list other than Asia, and then filling the blank pointing that they want it to be in China.

Charles Lew (Nov 23 2019 at 10:02, on Zulip):

@Xidorn Quan By the way, do you want to modify the translation of lifetime from "生命周期"(lifecycle) to "生存期"(duration of liveness)?

Xidorn Quan (Nov 23 2019 at 10:07, on Zulip):

@Charles Lew It seems to me that "生命周期" is a term more widely accepted, and it can mean lifetime as well, so I'm not too keen to change that, although I don't totally agree with this translation.

Charles Lew (Nov 23 2019 at 10:15, on Zulip):

Me too, "livecycle" is a more frequently used word in daily life, but the meaning is a little inaccurate for this Rust term. Since this survey is kind of a little "official", maybe we can hear others' comments on this? @nikomatsakis @centril @pnkfelix

pnkfelix (Nov 25 2019 at 09:54, on Zulip):

can someone give me some examples of what "lifecycle" is meant to denote? If its something like describing how many different members of a species follow a similar development path, I could imagine ways that it could be a reasonable term to employ.

Xidorn Quan (Nov 25 2019 at 12:30, on Zulip):

Yes, basically that "lifecycle", used in biology and product management, etc. It's the literal translation of "生命周期".

Actually, it seems that in English "life cycle" can mean "object lifetime" as well based on wikipedia's disambiguation page :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_cycle

nikomatsakis (Nov 28 2019 at 06:54, on Zulip):

I added several questions especially for Chinese community.

Also I've changed some questions, specifically those about travel for conference, because for most Simplified Chinese users, there is really only "international" vs. "domestic", mostly due to foreign visa requirements and language barrier I believe. In the survey last year, ~50% of responses said they aren't interested in attending a conference overseas (~11% said they are), while ~54% of responses said they are interested for domestic conference (and only ~7% said no). This is, in my opinion, a much more useful information than having them say no to every place in the list other than Asia, and then filling the blank pointing that they want it to be in China.

@Xidorn Quan seems reasonable, maybe we can map the option "back" when translating the answers (even in an automated way)...

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